Reminiscences #5: Concorde in conflict with an SR71 Blackbird – Pete Clarke

If you type the above subject into your internet search it comes up with stories referring to a possible conflict between an Air France Concorde and an SR71 which many doubt actually happened.
The following DID happen as I was the controller.
I have read an account from a Concorde captain on the BBC News site a few years ago who was being interviewed about Concorde after it had been taken out of service. He narrated this story as it was unique for it to be suggested Concorde could possibly be in conflict at the altitude it cruised.
There is also a documentary that has appeared on the “Quest” TV channel about the SR 71 Blackbird during which one captain relates this story from his perspective.

Here is my version. –

Flying between 55,000 to 60,000ft Concorde was above the subsonic jet aircraft. It was given this vertical profile of 5,000ft as the actual altitude the Concorde would level off at depended on the actual temperature on the day. This temperature could also vary during the crossing so the aircraft would adjust altitude accordingly. One or 2 executive jet aircraft could possibly reach 43,000ft on a good day but they were still not a problem to Concorde. On one particular day, however, I did control another aircraft that could more than match Concorde both in speed and altitude, the American military supersonic bomber SR71 Blackbird. Sometimes military aircraft crossing the Atlantic would have a reserved route kept clear for them in order for formations of jets to refuel en-route, as necessary, from an accompanying tanker.
The SR71 had more than sufficient range for the crossing and was operating solo. Although we would control many American subsonic aircraft like the C141 or C17 heavy cargo aircraft or maybe even troop carriers on our Track system they would not communicate with our HF radio station near Shannon. Instead they would use an American military HF radio station (Croughton) in Oxfordshire. Like most military units they had a regular change of staff so, generally, the radio operators had very limited experience of the operations they were handling. Keep it simple for them and it was OK. Anything out of the ordinary and it caused much confusion.

I was controlling a westbound Concorde just entering my airspace when I received details of an SR71 coming eastbound on a route that would conflict with Concorde. The SR71 did not always fly supersonically, it was doing less than Mach1 on this day, but it was still at a very high altitude. I had been told it was “above 600”, i.e. above 60,000ft. Concorde was operating up to 60,000ft and the vertical separation standard at that altitude was 4,000ft.
I sent a message to the American radio operator to ask for the exact altitude of the SR71. A few minutes later the answer came back, “Above 600.”
I telephoned the radio operator explaining I needed the exact altitude. The radio operator’s response was, “I’ll patch you through.” The operator had a facility to operate a 2-way switch on the radio. Push it one way and you could transmit over the telephone, switch it the other way to receive. At the end of each transmission you had to remember to say “Over’ in order for the radio operator to know when to flick the switch.
I was now talking directly to the pilot of the SR71. “This is the Shanwick controller, Confirm your altitude. Over.”
SR71, “We are above 600. Over”
Me, “I need to know your exact altitude. Over”
SR71, “Above 600. Over”.
Me, “Am I to understand you are unable to give me your exact altitude? Over”
SR71, “Affirmative. Over”
(These aircraft had a stealth capability and could fly at very, very high altitude, often above 70,000ft. They did not, however want anyone to know exactly at what altitude they were flying so would switch off their radio signal that would indicate altitude to a radar operator once they climbed.)
Me, “OK, I have a Concorde operating westbound on a conflicting route with you at 60,000ft. I need 4,000ft vertical separation. Do I have it? Over”
SR71, “You sure have.”
Me, “That’s all I need to know. Thanks. Out”

Just another little moment to brighten my day.

16 thoughts on “Reminiscences #5: Concorde in conflict with an SR71 Blackbird – Pete Clarke”

  1. The Aviation Geek Club contributor Linda Sheffield Miller has been reached out by former SR-71 Blackbird pilot David Peters who explained: ‘We never flew below Mach 3 at altitude except in the Baltic. Next if he didn’t know the altitude code he never talked to the airplane. The SR-71 did not fly well if at all below Mach 1 if above about 33,000 feet. If he was really a controller, he would have known that we turned off mode c on the transponder. To be in contact with the SR-71 he had to have a clearance so he would have had the base altitude and would have known that we reported altitude by base plus or minus. 99 % of the time it would be plus. All you can do is shake your head.’

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    1. Interesting reading.
      All the facts as narrated are correct.
      Oceanic control does not use radar. At the time altitude/flight level was not recorded above F600 as no aircraft normally flew above it.
      Experience and age has taught me there will always be those who will never accept the facts.
      Pete Clarke, 40years in ATC. 30 years as an Oceanic controller. Several as an instructor.

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  2. This story has been debunked by multiple actual SR-71 pilots. First they never flew subsonic at that altitude its not possible over the baltic they would slow down but at lower altitudes. Second there is not a situation that a non military controller talked directly to the SR71. Third the SR-71 had a special code to report altitudes which was always a plus or minus code. Unfortunately this was peter guy didn’t think SR-71 pilots would come out of the wood work and debunk him which they did

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  3. In addition to my comment above, due to the design differences between the U-2 and SR-71, the U-2 would be capable of much higher altitude if the speed was limited to subsonic. The more I think about it the more I come to realize that the high lift glider shape of the U-2 is what allows it to fly that high while subsonic. An SR-71 would never be able to generate enough lift over 60,000 feet or even well lower unless it was flying supersonic. Also, the engines being designed to fly at high speed probably couldn’t get enough air mass flowing through them to operate subsonic at over 60,000 feet.

    And I actually found an authoritative source (the SR-71 flight manual on this page https://www.sr-71.org/blackbird/manual/5/5-9.php ) showing that the max altitude at Mach 1 is about 37,000 ft. In order for it to fly at the altitude in the story (65,000 or higher) it must be going Mach 2 or more.

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  4. I was working Vancouver West Radar when my buddy Al, working the adjacent Holberg sector had to refuse descent to Aspen 3, and SR-71 out of Beale, heading for Abbotsford Airshow due Concorde opposite direction. First Friday in August, 1986.

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  5. Just wondering. The speed of sound is 659.8mph at 40,000′ and upwards. Concorde is hurtling along at 1300mph. How could the SR71 be doing less than 659.8mph above 60,000′?

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      1. The U-2 at altitude only has around a 10 mph window of speed to operate between supersonic (which it can’t do) and stall speed. It’s difficult to keep it in that window between destruction and falling out of the sky. Why would an SR-71 operate that way if it doesn’t have to? Also, I’m guessing the window would be even less for an SR-71 because the glider shape of the U-2 lowers the stall speed compared to the pointy SR-71.

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      2. Wing shape doesn’t allow enough Lift to be produced by the SR-71 at altitude due to low air density, without travelling at very high speed in order to generate lift for the craft. The aspect ratio, wing Shape of the U2 allows slow speed to still generate enough Lift to support the aircraft in such thin air at Altitude.

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  6. Just a note: The SR-71 was a recon aircraft, not a bomber. My understanding is that it had no weapons whatsoever, depending on speed, altitude and stealth for it’s survival in enemy territory.

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      1. It sort of has one but for a different reason. The SR-71 was procedurally limited to mach 3.2 because of excessive heat and wear on the components, not because it didn’t have the power to go any faster. It was allowed to go mach 3.3 if command authorized. So it has a “soft” upper limit unlike the U-2 which would have mach buffeting as it approached Mach 1 and was a hard speed limit.

        Look at page 222 of this manual:

        Click to access USAF-U2.pdf

        and see how it comes up to a point at the top.
        Compare that to
        https://www.sr-71.org/blackbird/manual/5/5-9.php
        which sort of sweeps to the right and could keep going if it were not for heat buildup. You can see the “soft” coffin corner in the SR-71 flight envelope right at 85,000 feet at mach 3.2.

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      1. Yes indeed they did, the YF-12 interceptor x3 AIM-47SA, with the fourth chine bay taken up by the launching & Tracking Hardware/Software….

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